- Beranda
- Sains & Teknologi
Tidak Runtuhnya Teori Evolusi Dalam 20 Jawaban - Part 1
...
TS
Pi-One
Tidak Runtuhnya Teori Evolusi Dalam 20 Jawaban - Part 1
Berdasar pengalaman selama menanggapi masalah teori evolusi, umumnya kreasionis yang membantah teori evolusi selalu saja membawa dan mengutip tulisan Harun yahya. Mereka tak peduli jika HY bukan ahli di bidang biologi, dan tak punya kompetensi di bidang tersebut.
Thread ini khusus untuk menanggapi karya HY, 'runtuhnya teori evolusi dalam 20 pertanyaan', yang bisa dibilang cukup dasar. Jadi hal-hal di luar itu kemungkinan tak dibahas.
Dari pengantar dulu
Tanggapan:
Teori evolusi tak pernah bicara soal 'kebetulan', kecuali kita mau mengatakan setiap fenomena alami yang terjadi di alam adalah 'kebetulan'. Proses evolusi adalah proses alami yang terjadi di alam. Dan ilmu biologi umumnya memang mengklasifikasikan manusia dalam taksonomi sebagai anggota dari keluarga (gamily) kera besar, dimana anggota keluarga lain diantaranya gorilla, orang utan dan simpanse. Monyet tidak termasuk keluarga kera besar.
1. Teori evolusi adalah teori ilmiah part 1, part 2
2. Teori Evolusi vs Opini Penciptaan part 1, part 2
3. Usia Umat Manusia part 1, part 2
4. Teori Evolusi dan Biologi part 1
5. Ras Manusia dan Evolusi part 1
6. Kesamaan Genom manusia dan Simpanse part 1
7. Evolusi burung part 1, part 2, part 3
8. Haeckel dan Embrio manusia part 1
9 Kloning dan Teori Evolusi part 1
10. Kehidupan Berasal dari Luar Angkasa part 1
11. Usia Bumi dan Evolusi part 1
12. Organ Vestigial dan Evolusi Part 1
13. Makhluk Hidup Purba dan Evolusi Part 1
14. Evolusi, Perkembangan dan Kemajuan Part 1
15. Tuhan dan Evolusi Part 1
16. Kebenaran teori evolusi Part 1
17. Metamorfosis dan Evolusi Part 1
18. DNA dan Evolusi Part 1
19. Kekebalan Bakteri dan Evolusi Part 1
20. Sains, Evolusi dan Penciptaan Part 1
Lalu, sekalian, menanggapi black campaign maupun pandangan salah seputar evolusi. Khususnya yang sering muncul di forum ini maupun di forum lain.
1. Monyetisme Part 1
FAQs
1. Kenapa kera tak berevolusi?
2. Coelacanth tak berevolusi?
*Berhubung link postnya sudah pada hilang dari database, jadi untuk post-post di atas mayoritas bisa dibaca di sinisaja.
Thread ini khusus untuk menanggapi karya HY, 'runtuhnya teori evolusi dalam 20 pertanyaan', yang bisa dibilang cukup dasar. Jadi hal-hal di luar itu kemungkinan tak dibahas.
Dari pengantar dulu
Quote:
Tanggapan:
Teori evolusi tak pernah bicara soal 'kebetulan', kecuali kita mau mengatakan setiap fenomena alami yang terjadi di alam adalah 'kebetulan'. Proses evolusi adalah proses alami yang terjadi di alam. Dan ilmu biologi umumnya memang mengklasifikasikan manusia dalam taksonomi sebagai anggota dari keluarga (gamily) kera besar, dimana anggota keluarga lain diantaranya gorilla, orang utan dan simpanse. Monyet tidak termasuk keluarga kera besar.
1. Teori evolusi adalah teori ilmiah part 1, part 2
2. Teori Evolusi vs Opini Penciptaan part 1, part 2
3. Usia Umat Manusia part 1, part 2
4. Teori Evolusi dan Biologi part 1
5. Ras Manusia dan Evolusi part 1
6. Kesamaan Genom manusia dan Simpanse part 1
7. Evolusi burung part 1, part 2, part 3
8. Haeckel dan Embrio manusia part 1
9 Kloning dan Teori Evolusi part 1
10. Kehidupan Berasal dari Luar Angkasa part 1
11. Usia Bumi dan Evolusi part 1
12. Organ Vestigial dan Evolusi Part 1
13. Makhluk Hidup Purba dan Evolusi Part 1
14. Evolusi, Perkembangan dan Kemajuan Part 1
15. Tuhan dan Evolusi Part 1
16. Kebenaran teori evolusi Part 1
17. Metamorfosis dan Evolusi Part 1
18. DNA dan Evolusi Part 1
19. Kekebalan Bakteri dan Evolusi Part 1
20. Sains, Evolusi dan Penciptaan Part 1
Lalu, sekalian, menanggapi black campaign maupun pandangan salah seputar evolusi. Khususnya yang sering muncul di forum ini maupun di forum lain.
1. Monyetisme Part 1
FAQs
1. Kenapa kera tak berevolusi?
2. Coelacanth tak berevolusi?
*Berhubung link postnya sudah pada hilang dari database, jadi untuk post-post di atas mayoritas bisa dibaca di sinisaja.
Diubah oleh Pi-One 03-01-2018 12:56
augyalif dan 22 lainnya memberi reputasi
19
383.9K
10.2K
Komentar yang asik ya
Mari bergabung, dapatkan informasi dan teman baru!
Sains & Teknologi
15.9KThread•13.6KAnggota
Tampilkan semua post
khiekhan
#4057
Quote:
1. out of reaction to your post.
2. it is. at least your way of presenting it is.
The second law of thermodynamics simply says that the entropy of a closed system will tend to increase with time. "Entropy" is a technical term with a precise physical definition, but for most purposes it is okay to think of it as equivalent to "disorder". Therefore, the second law of thermodynamics basically says that the universe as a whole gets more disordered and random as time goes on.
....
The idea of evolution is simply that random genetic mutations will occasionally occur that lead an individual organism to have some trait that is different from that of its predecessors. Now, it is true that these mutations, being random, would probably tend to increase the "entropy" of the population as a whole if they occurred in isolation (i.e., in a closed system). That is, most of the mutations will create individual organisms that are less "ordered" (i.e., less complex) and only some will create individual organisms that are more complex, so overall, the complexity goes down.
However, evolution does not take place in a closed system, but rather requires the existence of outside forces - i.e., natural selection. The idea is that there can be some environmental effect that makes organisms with a particular mutation (one that makes them more "complex") more likely to survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. Thus, as generations go by, the gene pool of the species can get more and more complex, but notice that this can only occur if the gene pool interacts with the outside world. It is through the course of that interaction that some other form of entropy (or disorder) will be generated that increases the entropy of the universe as a whole.
[/INDENT]
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ast...s-intermediate
[INDENT]The anti-evolutionists’ argument uses the second law of thermodynamics and applies it to the Earth and its natural systems as if the eight-year-old would never be asked to clean his or her room. But this Pippi Longstocking hypothesis is false.The Earth is not a thermally isolated system because it receives constant energy from the Sun. This is the energy fixed by plants using photosynthesis, which is then acquired by herbivores that eat the plants and carnivores that eat the herbivores. It is certainly true that without this constant addition of energy to the Earth’s system, life would be impossible, but fortunately for us, the radiation we receive is like the constant motivation for the youngster to keep his or her room tidy. The second law of thermodynamics simply cannot be used the way the anti-evolutionists try to use it.
....
The idea of evolution is simply that random genetic mutations will occasionally occur that lead an individual organism to have some trait that is different from that of its predecessors. Now, it is true that these mutations, being random, would probably tend to increase the "entropy" of the population as a whole if they occurred in isolation (i.e., in a closed system). That is, most of the mutations will create individual organisms that are less "ordered" (i.e., less complex) and only some will create individual organisms that are more complex, so overall, the complexity goes down.
However, evolution does not take place in a closed system, but rather requires the existence of outside forces - i.e., natural selection. The idea is that there can be some environmental effect that makes organisms with a particular mutation (one that makes them more "complex") more likely to survive and pass their genes on to the next generation. Thus, as generations go by, the gene pool of the species can get more and more complex, but notice that this can only occur if the gene pool interacts with the outside world. It is through the course of that interaction that some other form of entropy (or disorder) will be generated that increases the entropy of the universe as a whole.
[/INDENT]
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ast...s-intermediate
[INDENT]The anti-evolutionists’ argument uses the second law of thermodynamics and applies it to the Earth and its natural systems as if the eight-year-old would never be asked to clean his or her room. But this Pippi Longstocking hypothesis is false.The Earth is not a thermally isolated system because it receives constant energy from the Sun. This is the energy fixed by plants using photosynthesis, which is then acquired by herbivores that eat the plants and carnivores that eat the herbivores. It is certainly true that without this constant addition of energy to the Earth’s system, life would be impossible, but fortunately for us, the radiation we receive is like the constant motivation for the youngster to keep his or her room tidy. The second law of thermodynamics simply cannot be used the way the anti-evolutionists try to use it.
https://link.springer.com/article/10...052-009-0195-3
To claim that evolution violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics is also grounded in a misunderstanding of where the law applies. Nobody has ever figured out how to apply the second law to living creatures. There is no meaning to the entropy of a frog.The kinds of systems that can be analyzed with the second law are much simpler.
A living organism is not so much a unified whole as it is a collection of subsystems. In the development of life, for example, a major leap occurred when cells mutated in such a way that they clumped together so that multicellular life was possible. A simple mutation allowing one cell to stick to other cells enabled a larger and more complex life form. However, such a transformation does not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics any more than superglue violates the law when it sticks your fingers to the kitchen counter.
A living organism is not so much a unified whole as it is a collection of subsystems. In the development of life, for example, a major leap occurred when cells mutated in such a way that they clumped together so that multicellular life was possible. A simple mutation allowing one cell to stick to other cells enabled a larger and more complex life form. However, such a transformation does not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics any more than superglue violates the law when it sticks your fingers to the kitchen counter.
https://biologos.org/common-question...the-second-law
3. go ahead and accuse me all you want, let others be the judge. appeal bisa disampaikan ke trit modcheklist di root forum edu, dimana ada mod aviep dan heane yang bisa jadi juri kalau situ merasa saya parsial
https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/0000...ed=thread_list
1
Tutup