Original Posted By tonanda►Sekarang ada musuh baru namanya bill-sama itu adalah dewa kehancuran alam semesta ke 7
karakter tidak begitu gagah tetapi kekuatannya sangat mengejutkan

Son-goku saja kalah dengan 2 pukulan lembut padahal ss3

Jadi mereka bukan tandingan sm Bill-sama!

Lihat karakter BILL SAMA ( cekidot )



Dia ingin bertemu seorang adalah DEWA SUPER SEIYA karena dia bertemu seorang dalam mimpi katanya bukan mimpi belaka.....

Original Posted By mas.gan►orang terkuat di alam semesta 7 bukan bill sama.. tapii pelayannya bill sama, bahkan pelayannya itu adalah gurunya bill sama.

waktu abis bertarung dengan songoku, bill sama bilang klo goku orang ke dua terkuat yg dia lawan.
kemungkinan yg terkuat adalah pelayannya, Whis. CMIIW (cendol me if i wrong )

Original Posted By majonaissed►

GT>>>>>Z
You guys are talking trash... just think about it a second please. You can't compare GT villains to Z villains. Although i hate GT, it is obviously how much stronger everyone is in it... Moreover, they have to defeat Bills somehow in this movie. I don't know who it is going to be or how, but they are going to beat him, which means they have the power. Even if it is SSJ3 Gogeta.

Now, base Goku in gt is equal to SSJ3 Goku in buu saga. If we consider multiplier for SSJ4 to be 500x, (which is SSJ times 10, widely considered and possible), that means SSJ4 Goku is 500 times stronger than SSJ3 Z Goku, and he is still far weaker than Omega shenron. Now, you see how strong Omega really is...

And, as for Bills stopping goku's attack with one finger.. Dude, even Ultimate Gohan could do that. Not to mention Buuhan.

Again, the pure fact that Bills comes in DBZ means he can't be stronger than the final villain in GT.

But, we will see it all in the movie Maderfakers (talk) 22:53, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

^You are 100% right. About everyting. Oko500 (talk) 01:03, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong, no Ssj God in GT. Ssj God could possibly be over Ssj4 Goku despite Base Goku Gt> Ssj3 Goku Dbz. Zendarmanitan 02:53, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, since the movie has been released, a lot of that is severely flawed. Bills is never beaten, and certainly not by the likes of SSJ3 Gogeta. They do not have the power. Also, where did you get the fact that Ultimate Gohan could 1-shot Goku? Or Buuhan? Thatanonymousguy (talk) 15:05, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Let's do this the math way, shall we? Let's just assume that Bills used a lot of force when attacking SSJ3 Goku, despite the fact that it doesn't seem that he was attacking seriously. Also, we're going to assume that Vegito more or less equals Gogeta. Besides, I've seen many people argue Vegito is stronger, but I've never seen anyone argue that Gogeta is stronger. Next, we read up the fact that Vegito as a SSJ is more or less equal to an SSJ4, stated during the Anime Comics for DBGT: A Hero's Legacy. Furthermore:

SSJ2 - 2x boost.

SSJ3 - 4x boost.

SSJ4 - 10x boost.

Thereforer, a SSJ4 Vegito more or less equals 80x a normal SSJ4, or about 800x an SSJ3. Again, we're assuming Vegito == Gogeta. Next, according to Bill's supression, he was utilizing a little over 0.006% of his power while fighting SSJ3 Goku (This stat is a little hazy). But just to be nice, we'll bump it up to 1 percent, making him able to, at full strength, eliminate SSJ4 Gogeta with 800/100 = 8 hits. Since SSJ4 Gogeta is way stronger than Omega Shenron, Bills could easily eliminate him. Anyone who also argues that GT is after a lot more training and things, you've still got the fact that I decreased Bills' power level by about 150x because I pushed 0.006% to 1 percent. GT may be stronger, but not strong enough that every non-GT Character is 150x stronger than Z characters. If you think that they are 150x stronger, then I still have the fact that SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger than Omega Shenron, which adds even more "Buffer space". If you think that Bills, who can defeat Gogeta with 0.05 hits disregarding that percentage change earlier, really cannot because of immense training, I beg you to change your belief that roughly 200x more power can be achieved by 20 years of training. In fact, in the non-english dub version, it's only 15 years of training. Basically, if you can 10x your power in 1 year, then that'd be ridiculous and Majin Buu and the Androids would have been one-shot by any of the Z-Fighters.

Thank you and good night. (if you read this far lol)

Thatanonymousguy (talk) 15:03, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Original Posted By Castro.casinss►IMHO
Menurut ane udah jelas kok posisi Bills dimana, apalagi ini kan Movie yang diawasin langsung sama Akira Toriama sensei, makanya lebih bagus daripada Movie yang udah udah kan gan

Omega Shenron sekalipun masih ke detect kekuatannya gan, beda sama Bills yang bahkan ki nya nggak terasa samasekali, udah beda level, jadi jangan bandingin Bills yang bisa ngalahin SSJ3 Goku sama Shenron vs. SSJ4, tapi liatnya Bills vs. Kami mode Goku

Udah jelas ceritanya kan Bills itu yang terkuat di universe ke 7, sedangkan semua ada 12 universe, yakin lah Omega Shenron cuma disentil doang sama Bills

Pernyataan King Kai :

SSJ GOD MODE :

Bahkan Shenron aja keringet dingin gan

Bulma sampe heran liat shenron keringet dingin


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