DD, sudah mulai sering muncul di Forum.

Sepertinya memang Pekerjaan Rumahnya sudah selesai, sehingga ada banyak hal yg bisa di informasikan

Mari kita bahas satu persatu :

1. Informasi masuknya kembali Deviden BOs ke pasar by "Current" FPs, yg sudah pernah di bahas di MC Alex PR minggu kemarin.

Latest Info : http://www.kaskus.co.id/show_post/52...16000003/4689/

https://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthr...036#post120036

Quote Originally Posted by pijul_ali View Post
Dave, this is not a solution...its more like ponzi scheme...

Fp-fund = AFP money
Obligation = AFP,SFP and Investor money

Where is uinvest responsibilities?where is dividen money?

Jawaban DD :

If you read my previous posts I explained that the key reason of this mess was cheating activity of financial partners.

Because it was not possible to process any payouts we stopped most of them and were working on reworking system of financial partners.

Once it is done we will be ready to resume all activity and payouts of dividends will get back to normal.

Quote Originally Posted by hAve View Post
why not to forget about FP's system?

Jawaban DD :

We forgot about sick FP system. Healthy FP system is the solution we base our UICloud on, it is flexible and limitless.


2. Setelah Franchise UI dan UI Clouds (Affiliates) jalan, nantinya akan ada Uinvest Funds, atau semacam Sindikat utk FPs mungkin, utk membeli Obligasi Project.

https://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthr...042#post120042

DD :
All new projects from now on will be issued in the form of obligations, through financial partners. With UInvest only businesses may raise funds but soon we will launch Uinvest Funds when individuals will be able to raise funds and with UICloud franchisees will decide themselves who to get their projects from.

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Quote Originally Posted by pijul_ali View Post

So, if that your answer about fresh money, it means ui credit is a virtual money...investor just reinvest their dividen and thats why ui implement this new tools...now i know why project listed decrease after LR gone, because no more fresh money inflow, just ui credit...

Jawaban DD :

Vice versa. Of course you may invent 1064th version of what is going on but if you want my comment - no, it is not true.

During last 4 months all tools we implement are aimed to rebuild FP market and let it work.

They just cheated, generated commission and used this funds to buy new shares. It was not a brilliant idea to give money to thieves, right? This is why we had to rebuild it.


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DD :

Thank you for the comments. I am somewhat agree with your vision but I am bit more optimistic about demand on obligations: have a look, all shares gone after 1.5 minutes. We have about 2000 financial partners, so there should be some demand.

3. Penggunaan Security Deposit (18% Fresh Cash....dari 90% Share(s) x 20% = AFPs/SFPs) - seperti yg sudah dijelaskan sebelumnya.

Latest Info : http://www.kaskus.co.id/show_post/52...5000007/4707/-

DD :

First of all, thank you for trying to being polite, appreciate it. Not that I ignore rudeness, rather rude messages contain nothing but emotions very often which makes them hard to comment.

Two points:

1. When you sell your share to a person we don't go to the business owner and ask for 3100, that's obvious and this is not what I meant. This is how it works.

We operate USE and SE, each has their capital and shares turnover. Each BO must maintain deposit that us used to secure payouts and paybacks of shares.

Activity on exchanges is being analyzed every day and if we see that we need more funds to maintain this or that business we have no other option but ask him for the money or reduce his deposit.

Now imagine situation when supply outcomes demand. Who will finance marketmaker, UInvest? We don't have such money in hands.

Or those FPs with generated funds inside the system? No one of them.

2. Dividends were stopped once we realize that the vast majority of FPs abuse the system.

Whom to give dividends? They all say it is hard earned money.

Therefore, we started investigation and meanwhile rebuilt the whole system to exclude cheaters from money streams or, at least, make them play by the rules.

And that is not it, we have prepared a few more solutions for this year which will make activity of cheaters worthless.


Kondisi sebelumnya :

DD :

Well, I understand that if everything is smoothy for 6 years one may think it is now a disaster, however, we at Uinvest fight problems every day. So I cannot agree about 'critical' moment.

With regards to your suggestion: thanks but those guys are a bit smarter than you think. They use chains of accounts, some of them just buying selling shares and look innocent.

They have different IPs from different countries , documents, invoices and so on. They really created a corporation in the corporation! It is not that easy to separate good guys from bad guys.

What is more to be done: main thing that will stop them all is new affiliate program. It will come out with new franchise option.

Answer to your question: both.


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Penjelasan DD, terkait Debit Card LA yg di HOLD pembayarannya dan Informasi Ron dari Eugene terkait Direct WDr/Semi Direct utk VIP member, karena memang dgn Mekanisme Rombak TOTAL ini...tentunya VIP sudah tdk akan kebagian Saham

NO PRE MARKET.

Ron, sptnya salah satu yg ketiban pulung istilahnya....
Tdk makan nangka tapi ikut kena getahnya, dengan HOLD semua transaksi yg ada di Debit Cards.

Kondisi ini sudah dijelaskan dalam Behind Scene, sebelumnya kemudian dipertegas oleh pernyataan DD :

http://www.kaskus.co.id/show_post/52...e000013/4701/-

(utk 20% Fresh Cash(dlm behind scene diatas) dari 90% Obligasi Project yg dibeli AFPs/SFPs : penjelasannya : utk Security Deposit Saham BOs, karena Uinvest Allow Sell Share(s) anytime.Butuh penampung spt INCA/ISLD - Market Maker, dalam bentuk Project FP Fund)


Ron :

Hi Dave, thanks for answering politely to sometimes emotional questions. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, since I have been asking my questions everywhere, but the only answer I've been given for the past several months, is "soon", and when people got sick of that answer a new "in the nearest time" answer was introduced.

Last week at the MC I asked the same question 4 different times, and after being ignored I finally got the answer that basically came down to "yup, you're not the only one who is asking that question", and Alex said he would send me an answer by email by last Friday.

Well of course I never received an email, so I'm going to ask my questions again. Hopefully you can shed some light.

1) Why were withdrawals to UInvest debit cards stopped? I heard several different stories why these withdrawals stopped. One was there was a problem with the bank.

I live close to Chase bank to which these debit cards are through, and after talking to several different people there got through to someone higher up, and she told me she had no knowledge of having any problems with you guys.

Another story I was told was that there was a problem with the FP who was handling the withdrawals to the debit cards. Isn't it really simple to fix this problem?

Any FP would jump at the opportunity to handle these withdrawals. I have personally offered my services to Alex, who was going to review my proposal, but never heard back from him. Another story was that accounts were under review to see if we weren't committing fraud.

My account is extremely simple and straightforward. I don't have any referrals. I have a bunch of shares that are earning dividends and I would like to withdraw them so I can pay basic bills, like mortgage, electricity, groceries, etc. It shouldn't take this many months to see I'm an honest investor.

2) Are they completely stopped, or are they still going through, just at a slower rate?

3) I initiated my withdrawals in July. If withdrawals are going through at a slower rate, with the current speed, any guess to when they can get processed?

4) Eugene was quoted to have said to an RM that in November VIPs would be able to withdraw directly or semi directly.

I also asked this at last week's MC, and the answer was that Alex would talk to Eugene. Again, I didn't hear back.

Please be clear in your answer. I have heard "soon" and "in the nearest time" so many times my eyes hurt from rolling them that many times. Please also don't answer you guys are working hard on it.

I should damn well hope you guys are working hard on it, because people are going bankrupt from not being able to withdraw for this many months in the mean time, after investing a large amount of money.

Thanks,
Ron

Jawaban DD :

Ron, hi.

There is one simple explanation of why it happened: fake cash on accounts of many FPs earned by generating referral commission. Significant amount that was used by crooks to move in and out to generate even more fake funds.

Once LR was shut down they were left with no tool do move this money any longer and started to pour this amount to FPs washing their assets out and putting the commission to the heaven. When we calculated everything we realized that we must stop all payouts until we figure out who cheated and how much.

I understand that you don't cheat but we talk about thousands of people. We cannot leave one payment method and eliminate others as cheaters will easily find ways to use the hole.

We cannot pay to Ron just because he looks honest and was at the conference in LA, some cheaters were also attendees. There must be only one solution - investigate and punish.

This is why our support tells you were are working hard and no one can give you an estimated date. It is not possible, like it or not.

We have reworked FP, it took time but now we have working mechanism free of cheating. Now we will be resuming payouts.

Slowly but steadily, to not break all businesses as they still make us money. Sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't want to give you any estimation even though I am pretty sure all the problems are over.

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https://forum.uinvest.com.ua/showthr...090#post120090

Quote Originally Posted by hAve View Post
It's with 1 limit, if people don't add money = people cannot withdraw money. That's one, only, and very big limit

Jawaban DD :

No, it is not the way we see FP system working. This was done to exclude bad guys from the chain, temporary solution. Either bad guys go away or they start playing with the community rules.

Generally speaking, Uinvest doesn't care of FP balance and activity, we make money anyway. At the moment we only need effective FPs here and money is the only criteria of their efficiency.

Quote Originally Posted by ZGode View Post
I suggest you review that. Many and I actually mean over 100 people are using scripts to auto-withdraw funds, i guess you missed that one.

Jawaban DD :

We know about it but this kind of cheating is nothing comparing to cheating of FPs. It is worthless to concentrate on fighting this activity. Let it go, soon it won't be needed.

Quote Originally Posted by method View Post
Are you going to give the BOs money to some FPs to pay us or what?

Jawaban DD :

Absolutely. The funds are safe exactly because they were not given to cheaters. Let us do our job and give it time, we fix the process and resume all withdrawals.

Originally Posted by ron0311 View Post
Dave, after your statement that "now we will be resuming payments", I responded to my ticket I opened 2 months ago when my withdrawals were taking incredibly long again.

Natalya from support had a different story than you told me and said that problems with withdrawals to debit card still remain and that I should cancel my withdrawal requests and use FP-Fund, which we all know still don't have any offers.

So which is it? You're resuming payments or it's still a problem? You guys might want to get your stories straight.

Jawaban DD :

Ron, the stories are the same: at the moment and in future one should look at offers from FPs. Your card payments will be resumed once this FP is ready to process them.

Give it time, let them see everything works and gives them money. Again, I don't give any dates.